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A lot of good info in that video, if people really knew the truth about Obama, he would not get one state

Let's hope there are some smart people out there come Tuesday, if not we are screwed.



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he's wrong.

for 4 more years of the rest of the world hating the US, vote McCain.

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This guy is a complete ignorant, he's talking like Obama is gonna make the rich become poor, give me a break.

McCain has no experience with economy and he admitted that himself, just recently he tried to take that back to gain more votes.
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This guy is a complete ignorant, he's talking like Obama is gonna make the rich become poor, give me a break.

McCain has no experience with economy and he admitted that himself, just recently he tried to take that back to gain more votes.
haha the way i understood it was not that they would become poor, just they would be taxed much higher to give to the non working etc.
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haha the way i understood it was not that they would become poor, just they would be taxed much higher to give to the non working etc.
apparently you have to be an American to see that giving a tax refund to people who dont pay taxes is a horrible idea

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oh and what I Am saying is many people around the world want Obama to be pres. but they don't have to live with his spread the wealth plan.

I think it could heal some wounds maybe internationally but seriously should I vote on qualifications or to appease the people from around the world.

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apparently you have to be an American to see that giving a tax refund to people who dont pay taxes is a horrible idea

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maybe you misunderstood me. i cannot under ANY circumstances agree with giving working peoples cash to non workers or the babies mamas out there.
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maybe you misunderstood me. i cannot under ANY circumstances agree with giving working peoples cash to non workers or the babies mamas out there.
no I agree and understood you , but was commenting on how many people from other countries have the obama thing as from their point of view. and they should see it that way , but the hard part is for us the Americans who have to live with the good ( his international appeal ) and the bad (his socialist agenda)

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no I agree and understood you , but was commenting on how many people from other countries have the obama thing as from their point of view. and they should see it that way , but the hard part is for us the Americans who have to live with the good ( his international appeal ) and the bad (his socialist agenda)
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no I agree and understood you , but was commenting on how many people from other countries have the obama thing as from their point of view. and they should see it that way , but the hard part is for us the Americans who have to live with the good ( his international appeal ) and the bad (his socialist agenda)
If you think Obama is turning America into a Socialist regime, then you're completely wrong and misinformed by McCain.
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apparently you have to be an American to see that giving a tax refund to people who dont pay taxes is a horrible idea

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Again, very misinformed. You guys know there are many rich people supporting Obama too? The GOP and McCain are exaggerating about Obama's so called "spread the wealth" plan. Have you guys look into the history and numbers? Right now the tax % for the high income is lower compared to back then. Obama might raise it a little, but not like what you guys think.
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I think it could heal some wounds maybe internationally but seriously should I vote on qualifications or to appease the people from around the world.
wweeeeeeelll, how much is the wars you're in 'cause of this costing?

at the moment the US owes 10.6trillion to foreign investors, and is spending nearly 10 billion a month in Iraq alone, not to even mention Afghanistan.

and McCain wants to escalate, in the middle of an economic crisis, while continueing with the economic policies that lead to this crisis.

On one hand I want to say "well if you really wanna fuck yourselves into not being a superpower anymore, go right on ahead, noone will complain." and on the other hand, I'm thinking "alot of the worlds economy is heavily dependant on the US."

that said, I'm sure we'll all find new trading partners.

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If you think Obama is turning America into a Socialist regime, then you're completely wrong and misinformed by McCain.
thanks for the education. rather presume I am getting my information from mccain than realize i am getting it directly from Obama . I am so disappointed with my choices. obama is a great guy I want to vote for him but He does not seem to understand the we the people part of the constitution .

but I never said I was a fan of mccain. I have never gotten any good intel on obama from mccain


the spread the wealth is a direct quote of obama's

he does in fact intend to give a huge percent of non tax paying americans a tax refund and that is IMO crazy .

why does your post smell of hate and frustration and judgement when if you read my post I clearly state from a non american standpoint obama seems like the logical choice.

i think either candidate has his good points . the one has less bad points than the other. imo

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Again, very misinformed. You guys know there are many rich people supporting Obama too? The GOP and McCain are exaggerating about Obama's so called "spread the wealth" plan. Have you guys look into the history and numbers? Right now the tax % for the high income is lower compared to back then. Obama might raise it a little, but not like what you guys think.
glad to be informed again.

but what I want is a flat tax and no welfare . I want the government to build roads and run our army ,and stay out of my way.
that is it and neither candidate is far enough twards small government for me . imo they both suck but Obama is clearly moving twards big gov. mccain is not much better. infact Obama and mccain are so close to each other and so far away from the government I want I am almost ready to flip a coin.

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The whole 2 party gov. and election options is ridiculous.

I hope for the best but the big, big picture is a lot lamer then McCain idiot running mate, our Obama being the savior.

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infact Obama and mccain are so close to each other and so far away from the government I want I am almost ready to flip a coin.
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The whole 2 party gov. and election options is ridiculous.
now this I can understand.

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wweeeeeeelll, how much is the wars you're in 'cause of this costing?

at the moment the US owes 10.6trillion to foreign investors, and is spending nearly 10 billion a month in Iraq alone, not to even mention Afghanistan.

and McCain wants to escalate, in the middle of an economic crisis, while continueing with the economic policies that lead to this crisis.

On one hand I want to say "well if you really wanna fuck yourselves into not being a superpower anymore, go right on ahead, noone will complain." and on the other hand, I'm thinking "alot of the worlds economy is heavily dependant on the US."

that said, I'm sure we'll all find new trading partners.
what do you have to trade some back bacon and smokes.
seriously 10 billion a month is chump change . its a war we should or should not have gotten into but that is a mute point and it needs to be won and canada has some real heros fighting on the good guys side.
this however is about an american election and you and another outsider took the time to educate us on how stupid americans are.
we don't want to fuck ourselves but glad to know how secretly you want America to be destroyed.
I on the other hand want Canada to some day to be as wealthy as the USA and would enlist to fight for that fine country if any foreign attackers ever came callen . but history has shown that to be the american way.

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why does your post smell of hate and frustration and judgement when if you read my post I clearly state from a non american standpoint obama seems like the logical choice.
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this however is about an american election and you and another outsider took the time to educate us on how stupid americans are.
we don't want to fuck ourselves but glad to know how secretly you want America to be destroyed.
I find this kinda offensive, macattack. What if I tell you that I've close family members in the US, which I do, am I allow to say something? Also, my business relies a lot on US customers, you actually think I want America to be destroyed? Let alone the fact that the US economy affects the entire world. I want to see Obama elected not because of his foreign policies, but because he does have more experience with the economy than McCain does. In addition, Palin is a freaking joke.

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i think either candidate has his good points . the one has less bad points than the other. imo
Of course both candidates have good and bad points, I've never said I agree with Obama on everything.
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what do you have to trade some back bacon and smokes.
A booming manufacturing sector once upon a time, but with the big 3 going under that's changing fast. I'm just hoping that in the future that sector is less dependant on the US economy's ups and downs.

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seriously 10 billion a month is chump change. its a war we should or should not have gotten into but that is a mute point and it needs to be won and canada has some real heros fighting on the good guys side.
it took 6 years to topple imperial Japan, the 3rd Reicht, and Mussolini's Italy. We've been in Afghanistan 7 years, and we will have been there 10 by the time we withdraw. you've been in Iraq for 5 and if McCain gets in, no plans to withdraw.

How long to learn that you can't win a battle for hearts and minds with an assault rifle? MacNamara would be, scratch that, he IS ashamed.



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this however is about an american election and you and another outsider took the time to educate us on how stupid americans are.
The point I'm trying to make is that what happens there effects the rest of us, whether you realize it/care or not. I'm all for distance from it, but fortunatly I'm not in charge.


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we don't want to fuck ourselves but glad to know how secretly you want America to be destroyed.
No, I want them to grow up and realize that the cold war is over, they're not the world's police and start sitting at a round table rather than demanding to sit on top of the pyramid with everyone bowing beneath them.

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I on the other hand want Canada to some day to be as wealthy as the USA and would enlist to fight for that fine country if any foreign attackers ever came callen . but history has shown that to be the american way.
when has the US or Canada ever been invaded by a foreign country? the only time I can think of in either case was the british invasion of the US in 1812-1814. Damned near 200 years ago. And how many have been KIA'd from then till now in combat?

as far as "being as wealthy" on a GDP/capita basis, it might have already happened, the human developement index certainly spent several years ahead (infact it was the best in the world when I was going thru school), I think our HD index is lower since the auto meltdown and dotcom collapse, it's hardly 3rd world tho.

Second highest GDP/capita in the G8, highest HDI in the G8. Altho the Nordic countries and Oz are whipping us good on HDI, time to take a lesson from them I think.

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