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E-mail going around about Iraq,

E-mail going around about Iraq, pretty interesting (factual non partisan)

From an email I just got: If you can't read this much or aren't interested, move along.

Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and interested
guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my son Jordan,
who was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is well (a little
thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq for a second tour in
early 06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4 more years. He loves the
Marine Corps and is actually looking forward to returning to Iraq.

Jordan spent 7 months at Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi. Aka: Fort Apache.
He saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me about weapons, equipment,
tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be of interest to you. Nothing is by any
means classified. No politics here, just a Marine with a birds eye views opinions:

1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you feel filthy
2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine
version is more popular because its lighter and shorter, but it has jamming
problems also. They like the ability to mount the various optical gunsights
and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the weapon itself is not
great in a desert environment. They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor
penetration on the cinderblock structure common over there and even torso
hits cant be reliably counted on to put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random
autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.

2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light machine gun. Big thumbs down.
Universally considered a piece of ****. Chronic
jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly. (that fun in
the middle of a firefight).

3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert
environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns for
self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.

4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for
clearing houses to good effect.

5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!).
Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts em down. Originally
developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry.
The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.

6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. Ma deuce is
still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper,
puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon
in-theater.

7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on
one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put em down with a
torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use
the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model .45s
are being re-issued en masse.

8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a
modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight
Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the
sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range
and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out
vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded
enemy. Definitely here to stay.

10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300 win
mag. Heavily modified Remington 700s. Great performance. Snipers have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor
has it that a marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcocks record
for confirmed kills with OVER 100.

11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs.
and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will stop
an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as **** to wear, almost unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees).
Also, the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bull**** about the old body armor
making our guys vulnerable to the IEDs was a non-starter. The IED
explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at all
in most cases.

12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular
performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very
little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being
whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.

13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights
are Surefires, and the troops love em. Invaluable for night urban
operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved
it.

I cant help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and
ordnance are 50 or more years old!!!!!!!!! With all our technology, its the
WWII and Vietnamera weapons that everybody wants!!!! The infantry fighting
is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.

Bad guy weapons:

1) Mostly AK47s . The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in the
desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM belt fed
light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the enemy mostly
shoots like ****. Undisciplined spray and pray type fire. However, they are
seeing more and more precision weapons, especially sniper rifles. (Iran,
again) Fun fact: Captured enemy have apparently marveled at the
marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are apparently told
in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on technology, and can be
easily beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of toughness. Lets
just say they know better now.

2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys.
Simple, reliable and as common as dog****. The enemy responded to our
up-armored humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank
range. Still killing a lot of our guys.

3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet
anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in
Jordansarea were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155mm
artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell phone,
and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle, even an M1 tank.
Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do over there.
Lately, they are much more sophisticated shape charges (Iranian)
specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of the ready made IEDs
are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to
train the insurgents in their use and tactics. Thats why the attacks have
been so deadly lately. Their concealment methods are ingenious, the latest
being shape charges in Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like the
cinderblocks that litter all Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they
detonate, and the bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.

4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets
(with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordans NCOs lost a leg to one.
These weapons cause a lot of damage inside the wire.
Jordansbase was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar and rocket
fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue (It did).
More of a psychological weapon than anything else. The enemy mortar teams would jump out
of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then haul A$$ in a
matter of seconds.

5) Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is by
cell and satellite phones, and also by email on laptops. They use handheld
GPS units for navigation and Google earth for overhead views of our
positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent. Their
explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision is rare.
They are very careless with their equipment and the captured GPS units and
laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.

Who are the bad guys?:

Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They
operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are mostly
foreigners, non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world
(and Europe). Most enter Iraqthrough Syria(with, of course, the knowledge
and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then travel down the at line
which is the trail of towns along the EuphratesRiver that weve been hitting
hard for the last few months. Some are virtually untrained young Jihadists
that often end up as suicide bombers or in sacrifice squads. Most, however,
are hard core terrorists from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah,
Hamas etc.) These are the guys running around murdering civilians en masse
and cutting heads off. The Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian), are
supposedly the most ruthless and the best fighters. (they have been
fighting the Russians for years). In the Baghdadarea and south, most of the
insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites. The Iranian Shiia
have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local govt., the police
forces and the Army. The have had a massive spy and agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80s.
Most of the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured or gave up long ago.

Bad Guy Tactics:

When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked
every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very
common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally sacrifice
8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming and firing Aks
and RPGs directly at our bases just to probe the defenses. They get mowed
down like grass every time. (see the M2 and M240 above). Jordans base was hit like this often.
When engaged, they have a tendency to flee to the same
building, probably for what they think will be a glorious last stand.
Instead, we call in air and thats the end of that more often than not.
These hole-ups are referred to as Alpha Whiskey Romeos (Allahs Waiting
Room). We have the laser guided ground-air thing down to a science. The
fast movers, mostly Marine F-18s, are taking an ever increasing toll on the
enemy. When caught out in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130
Spectre gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire,
especially at night. Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all. Fun
fact: The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is
why were seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide bomber ****. The new strategy is simple: attrition.

The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian
non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian
casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques are
locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and ammo and flee to when engaged.
They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for
civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder without
hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or the new
Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members (especially children) is common to
influence people they are trying to influence but cant reach, such as local
govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.).

The first thing our guys are told is don't get captured. They know that
if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet. Zarqawi
openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live American
serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't give a
**** about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually kidnapped
by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such, for our guys, every fight
is to the death. Surrender is not an option.

The Iraqis are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a ****.
Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard, but they are
getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawis use of suicide bombers,
en masse, against the civilian population was a serious tactical mistake.
Many Iraqis were galvanized and the caliber of recruits in the Army and the
police forces went up, along with their motivation. It also led to an
exponential increase in good intel because the Iraqis are sick of the
insurgent attacks against civilians. The Kurds are solidly pro-American and
fearless fighters.

According to Jordan, morale among our guys is very high. They not only
believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They are
stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom they
almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters are
despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate of 20-1
and then see **** like Are we losing in Iraqon TV and the print media. For
the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment, food and
leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say this, there are not enough
guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the insurgency,
primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut down the
borders with Iran and Syria. The Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand
the thought of Iraqbeing an American ally (with, of course, permanent US
bases there).

Anyway guys, thats it, hope you found it interesting, I sure did.


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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

Hmm perhaps I am Abe

hey that was pro war


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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

Hmm perhaps I am Abe

hey that was pro war
If you're Abe then, and after those arguments on the other forum, you certainly need medical HELP!!!!!!! :
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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

Hmm perhaps I am Abe

hey that was pro war
If you're Abe then, and after those arguments on the other forum, you certainly need medical HELP!!!!!!! :
OK i'm not Abe I'm god



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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

Hmm perhaps I am Abe

hey that was pro war
If you're Abe then, and after those arguments on the other forum, you certainly need medical HELP!!!!!!! :
OK i'm not Abe I'm god

Ah... ok. That's fine then.
You're not insane :
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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

Hmm perhaps I am Abe

hey that was pro war
If you're Abe then, and after those arguments on the other forum, you certainly need medical HELP!!!!!!! :
OK i'm not Abe I'm gay

I think you had a little typo... :comperror


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Please man!!! You're getting worse that Abe Froman himself

Hmm perhaps I am Abe

hey that was pro war
If you're Abe then, and after those arguments on the other forum, you certainly need medical HELP!!!!!!! :
OK i'm not Abe I'm gay

I think you had a little typo... :comperror


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Excellent post!

Pay no attention to the homo antics of Val and MV.
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I read it all.. It's pretty damn good actually... Thanks man..
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when I think of Abe Froman I think of "Ferris Buellers Day Off" so who are you talking about??



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autopsies on dead insurgents shows a high level of opiate use.
He he... don't they know Allah will kick their asses if he knew about this???
hehehehehehe! :laugh
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Excellent post!

Pay no attention to the homo antics of Val and MV.
wholeheartedly agree. EXCELLENT post...for me, at least. this isn't partisan....it's fact.

the M-240D is a WONDERFUL weapon. fires reliably, and is a breeze to clean.

of course, i'd rather have my GAU-17.....no insurgent wins against 4000 rounds a minute of 7.62 :


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Mama was a GI back in the day, before I was born.
Stationed in Ft. Ord, Ca. She was asked to join the batallion's rifle team. She did quite a bit of traveling. The weapon of choice, the M-14. She was definetly good at what she did.

After the season of competion was over, she was asked to transfer to Virginia to go to sniper school but she turned it down. She was 7.5 months pregnant at the time.

She always blamed me for screwing up her glory!!! :
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