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Doomsday Vault

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OSLO, Norway (AP) -- It sounds like something from a science fiction film -- a doomsday vault carved into a frozen mountainside on a secluded Arctic island ready to serve as a Noah's Ark for seeds in case of a global catastrophe.

But Norway's ambitious project is on its way to becoming reality. Construction began Monday on the Svalbard Global Seed Vault, designed to house as many as 3 million of the world's crop seeds.

Prime ministers of Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Iceland were to attend the cornerstone ceremony on Monday morning near the town of Longyearbyen in Norway's remote Svalbard Islands, roughly 620 miles from the North Pole.

Norway's Agriculture Minister Terje Riis-Johansen has called the vault a "Noah's Ark on Svalbard."

Its purpose is to ensure the survival of crop diversity in the event of plant epidemics, nuclear war, natural disasters or climate change, and to offer the world a chance to restart growth of food crops that may have been wiped out.

The seeds, packaged in foil, would be stored at such cold temperatures that they could last hundreds, even thousands, of years, according to the independent Global Crop Diversity Trust. The trust, founded in 2004, has also worked on the project and will help run the vault, which is scheduled to open and start accepting seeds from around the world in September 2007.

Oil-rich Norway first proposed the idea a year ago, drawing wide international interest, Riis-Johansen said.

The Svalbard Archipelago, 300 miles north of the mainland, was selected because it is located far from many threats and has a consistently cold climate.

Those factors will help protect the seeds and safeguard their genetic makeup, Norway's Foreign Ministry said. The vault will have thick concrete walls, and even if all cooling systems fail, the temperature in the frozen mountain will never rise above freezing due to permafrost, it said.

While the facility will be fenced in and guarded, Svalbard's free-roaming polar bears, known for their ferocity, could also act as natural guardians, according to the Global Diversity Trust.

The Nordic nation is footing the bill, amounting to about $4.8 million for infrastructure costs.

"This facility will provide a practical means to re-establish crops obliterated by major disasters," Cary Fowler, the trust's executive secretary, said in a statement, adding that crop diversity is also threatened by "accidents, mismanagement and shortsighted budget cuts."

Already, some 1,400 seed banks around the world, most of them national, hold samples of their host country's crops.

But these banks are vulnerable to shutdowns, natural disasters, war and lack of funds, said Riis-Johansen.

Storing duplicate seeds in the Svalbard vault is meant to offer a fail-safe system for the planet.

The idea of a global seed bank has been around since the early 1980s, but unresolved issues, such as ownership rights to genetic material, stalled it until the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization adopted the International Treaty on Plant Genetic Resources for Food and Agriculture in 2001.

While Norway will own the vault facility, countries contributing seeds will own the material they deposit -- much as with a bank safe deposit box. The Global Crop Diversity Trust will help developing countries pay the cost of preparing and sending seeds.









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NOT IF THE CLIMATE CHANGES ASSHOLES!!!


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not too mention the fact that in the event of a major climate change, or catastrophe....who thinks humans, as frail as we are, will survive.

and those that do aren't going to make a trek to some remote cold as shit place to get some seeds now are they.....


typical of environmentalists....

never think before they run around getting money for something that will never serve a purpose.
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NOT IF THE CLIMATE CHANGES ASSHOLES!!!

Unless the whole planet suffers a nuclear winter....


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who gives a shit, we'll all be long dead anyways. Party up boys! What happens 70 years to 1000 years from now is not our problem! I'll drink to that.


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Jesus fucking christ guys.

Yes, we're frail little creatures, but the reason it's being put up isn't just for natural disasters, it's also for shortsighted bean counters.

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dude, Norway is footing the bill, for something that might help you out someday, even if it doesn't, it's not like it's costing you a dime. And 4.8 million is chump change when compared with even the 1:1000000 chance that it works.

Which would you rather oil money get spent on? a seed shelter? or a war against you?

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Jesus fucking christ guys.

Yes, we're frail little creatures, but the reason it's being put up isn't just for natural disasters, it's also for shortsighted bean counters.



dude, Norway is footing the bill, for something that might help you out someday, even if it doesn't, it's not like it's costing you a dime. And 4.8 million is chump change when compared with even the 1:1000000 chance that it works.

Which would you rather oil money get spent on? a seed shelter? or a war against you?
1. Norway is NOT footing the bill.
A little research will show that organizations from ALL OVER the world are collecting donations from ignorant people, nottelling them what it goes for, and then shipping it off to pay for this.
Maybe, if they are so environmentally conscious, they could take that money, go over to China/india/asia and spend it along with their other millions they waste on a daily basis on worthless "look at me" demonstrations and maybe, just maybe, they can get the countries that are causing the most environmental harm to the ENTIRE WORLD, to clean their shit up.

2. This has nothing to do with oil, nor for all practical purposes, "nuclear war".
Anybody who still believes that their is a possibility of a full scale nuclear war, hjas their head so far up their ass they need to go get some plexiglass installed in their stomach so they can see some daylight.
IF, and that is a very big IF, there are ever any nuclear wepaons used agin, they will be used in small scale conflicts.
There isnt a single country in the world that currently has the ability to completely wipe out the world except fo the US, nad i'm betting you wont see them launching any all out attacks on anybody using them, despite what the wackos and idiots spout all around the world.

3. Who cares if it's chump change?
Here's a better idea.
Do something useful with your money. Even if it is just change.
Instead of pissing it away, save it, then pool it with other "chump change" and amazingly, you'll eventually have enought to do something useful with it.

Oh wait, that's not what environmentalists and idiot svant hollywood types do is it?
They run around looking for the "cause of the moment" and then preach at all of us to donate our pennies to it so that we can "help the less fortunate" who can't/won't/have never tried to dso anything to help themselves.

well guess what, i can think of many ways to better spend that 4.3 million (it's actually a lot more, that was the initial cost estimate btw, and like all govenrment.environmentalist budgets it;s long past that) that will actually do something that possibly promotes better economic responsibility, and thebn guess what? We wont need stupid shit like this.
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I just did some research, I can't find anything to suggest anyone but Norway is footing the bill for the place. Others will be supplying the seed ya, but it's Norways baby.

ya, India/China are the biggest environmental issues right now, and they're the reason kyoto is a sham. But I don't see this as an environmental issue, I see this as cheap insurance incase of an ooops.

ok, so even if it's not to do with nuclear war, it still covers off the bases if for any other unforseen reason a crop should go extinct (one that's pointed out is GM crops crossbreeding, making an unedible hydrid, I think that's far fetched, but whatever.) Fact is, there's alotta things that could happen to seriosly f*ck shit up, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that I've thought of them all.

Think of it this way, if you where to take out an insurance policy on 5,000+ years of agricultural breeding, then multiply that by the number of crops in the world what do you think it would be worth? It's a good deal man.

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Considering what a lot of other countries tend to collect (weapons, nuclear bs, religious fanatics, useless junk etc.) I think collecting a couple of seeds isn't too bad.
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