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Australian PM talks about immigration...

Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

This man should be appointed King of the World.
Truer words have never been spoken.
It took a lot of courage for this man to speak what he had to say for the world to hear. The retribution could be phenomenal, but at least he was willing to take a stand on his and Austrilia's beliefs.

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote:

'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians. '

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

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very nice. too bad all of the dumbfucks around the rest of the world dont think like him.
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I have ofter thought of moving there. Good to know


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Good Man. I'd vote for him in my country.
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Whomever wrote that load of drivel for him should take a course in logic

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who have sought freedom
and then goes on to talk about inherently limitating freedom... you are free to choose from the following options... which is not freedom, but some vague notion of conformity...

i guess i'm well within my australian-born, english-speaking, christian-raised rights to call him a 'fucking wanker'... though i doubt my dubai-born, arabic-speaking, muslim-raised friend shouldn't enjoy the same right?

patriotism is not xenophobia, but i love how most folk can't separate the two precepts

oh, now it all makes sense... was figuring a speech writer would know better than to espouse that drivel...

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Whomever wrote that load of drivel for him should take a course in logic



and then goes on to talk about inherently limitating freedom... you are free to choose from the following options... which is not freedom, but some vague notion of conformity...

i guess i'm well within my australian-born, english-speaking, christian-raised rights to call him a 'fucking wanker'... though i doubt my dubai-born, arabic-speaking, muslim-raised friend shouldn't enjoy the same right?

patriotism is not xenophobia, but i love how most folk can't separate the two precepts

oh, now it all makes sense... was figuring a speech writer would know better than to espouse that drivel...

http://www.smh.com.au/national/oh-ke...0303-8nhz.html
Well it's a hell of alot more freedom compared to where they came from. (Obviously otherwise they wouldn't have moved) So maybe they shouldn't bitch!

Or.......Leave. Life isn't perfect.

These are the same cock suckers that would get a Beautiful (free) home from Ty Pennington, Curtousy of Extreme Home makeover, then bitch because they didn't get the 50" Plasma they really wanted to see in the living room.

Alot of people out there have it much worse than the stupid shit they're "whining" about.
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Well it's a hell of alot more freedom compared to where they came from. (Obviously otherwise they wouldn't have moved) So maybe they shouldn't bitch!

Or.......Leave. Life isn't perfect.

These are the same cock suckers that would get a Beautiful (free) home from Ty Pennington, Curtousy of Extreme Home makeover, then bitch because they didn't get the 50" Plasma they really wanted to see in the living room.

Alot of people out there have it much worse than the stupid shit they're "whining" about.
you're about as cogent as the ficticious rudd speech... you complain about complaining? how the hell is that a remotely compelling stance?

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you're about as cogent as the ficticious rudd speech... you complain about complaining? how the hell is that a remotely compelling stance?
How am I complaining?

Because I expressed my opinion on the subject?
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Whomever wrote that load of drivel for him should take a course in logic

and then goes on to talk about inherently limitating freedom...
patriotism is not xenophobia, but i love how most folk can't separate the two precepts
Real or fictitious I don't see how the fundamental message in that 'load of drivel' is in anyway Xenophobic although this sentence is surely confusing the two - Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.

Xenophobia, as I'm sure you're aware, is an unwarranted and baseless fear of anything or anyone foreign but if you look past the first few sentences to the underlying message, this is merely addressing the concept that if you choose to move to a country you should accept that country, it's beliefs, traditions and values. Or at the very least you shouldn't bitch about them as you were the one who chose it, not the other way around.

Accept of course isn't the same as adopt.

It doesn't sound to me as if anyone is being denied the right to have their own beliefs, values and lifestyle but if you find the beliefs, lifestyles, traditions etc of your adopted country so offensive then perhaps you should go somewhere else. After all, if you really find Christianity offensive then perhaps you shouldn't move to a predominantly Christian country.

If you don't like Thai food - don't move to Thailand.

Seems straight-forward enough to me and if you've ever been to Canada where they no longer are allowed to say the Lord's Prayer in school for fear of offending some minority group but where Sikh students are allowed to carry Kirpan - ceremonial daggers to class, you would recognize political correctness gone mad.

I say 'Good on yer' to any political figure with the balls to stand up for his country, its citizens and their way of life against overly vocal minority groups who figure that the country must change and adapt to their way of life or be accused of being racist and oppressive.
Even though apparently Rudd actually didn't.

When we moved to Canada we didn't expect everyone to start calling each other 'mate' and eating fish 'n' chps out of newspaper just because we'd arrived. We didn't write to complain to our MP's about the extensive baseball coverage and the lack of real 'football' on the t.v. We didn't take offense to the Lords prayer at the start of the day even though we weren't really religious.

The basic message here is this 'be willing to accept and adapt and we will accept you and your beliefs but don't expect us to adopt them - you came to us not the other way around'. We will accept you but your arrival isn't going to change our culture, our lifestyle or our heritage.

I don't see a problem with that.

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Lords prayer hasn't been in school here since I was a tot, and I'm glad of it. A Sikh student can carry a Kirpan, and a Catholic student can wear a rosary. But we don't play religiously affiliated shit over the P.A. system or push any religion on the students from any figure of authority. Same as it's illegal for a policeman carrying a gun to ask for donations, even if it's to charity.

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Lords prayer hasn't been in school here since I was a tot, and I'm glad of it. A Sikh student can carry a Kirpan, and a Catholic student can wear a rosary. But we don't play religiously affiliated shit over the P.A. system or push any religion on the students from any figure of authority. Same as it's illegal for a policeman carrying a gun to ask for donations, even if it's to charity.
The argument could be made that allowing that Sikh student to wear his dagger and turban is affording him the right to express his religious freedom that is being denied to the larger Christian population who would perhaps like the Lord's prayer to be included in a morning address.

I'm not religious so I could give a s**t about the L.P and I'm certainly not making that argument - just sayin'...

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yea the difference is one is coming from figures of authority and one is students carrying religious icons. Completely different things imo. If the christian kid wants to say the lords prayer in the morning, go ahead. There's nothing stopping him/her. It's just not gonna come from the schools P.A. system as there's kids that are going to that school that are from all kinds of religions. I'd feel the same if the prayer was any other religion for that matter. If you want a kosher education, go to a religiously affiliated school. If you can't afford to it sucks to be you, welcome to capitalism.

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How am I complaining?

Because I expressed my opinion on the subject?
much like the folk who are expressing their opinion about their home makeover...

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The basic message here is this 'be willing to accept and adapt and we will accept you and your beliefs but don't expect us to adopt them - you came to us not the other way around'. We will accept you but your arrival isn't going to change our culture, our lifestyle or our heritage.
are you a member of the borg?

assimiliation, in any practical sense, becomes a symbiosis... this isn't through any political edict, it's merely an extension of basic human interaction...

your lifestyle and culture will shift for many reasons, throughout your lifetime, with cutural melting pot type reasons playing some part, i'd say... to expect it not to change is a barely fathomable stance...

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yea the difference is one is coming from figures of authority and one is students carrying religious icons. Completely different things imo. If the christian kid wants to say the lords prayer in the morning, go ahead. There's nothing stopping him/her. It's just not gonna come from the schools P.A. system as there's kids that are going to that school that are from all kinds of religions. I'd feel the same if the prayer was any other religion for that matter.
exactly!

my personal beliefs, whether majority/minority/silent/vocal, should not be foisted onto anyone as a political or educational decree...

then again, it's a slippery slope between belief and truth... and i'll start vanishing off into revisionist history, darwinian proofs and other fun topics to pull apart from varying philosophical viewpoints...

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here is what offends me the most. im happy im not in/from britain

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here is what offends me the most. im happy im not in/from britain

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
Geeeez that's a whole other subject/thread


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hahaha sorry. i thought it was kind of the same because the tards in the video want the rest of the country to fall in line with thier wishes instead of the other way around.
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are you a member of the borg?

assimiliation, in any practical sense, becomes a symbiosis... this isn't through any political edict, it's merely an extension of basic human interaction...
I absolutely agree that it becomes a symbiotic realtionship primarily from a sociological / societal standpoint not from a governmental one and unless I'm missing the point completely that is what the original post was also addressing.

My interpretation of it is essentially this. We will accept you, your beliefs, lifestyle and culture so long as you accept ours. Don't start screaming about intolerance and oppression just because we don't believe in your 'God' are quite content to speak English and don't all start praying to Mecca.
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Spoken from an immigrant that's trying to tell born Canadians that they're too lax in immigration.

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much like the folk who are expressing their opinion about their home makeover...
That about put me in tears from laughter.
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Spoken from an immigrant that's trying to tell born Canadians that they're too lax in immigration.
What?
How did you come up with that argument?

That's not even close to what I'm saying. And just so as we're clear here I'm a Canadian citizen - I pay taxes and paid Unemployment insurance and Health insurance while I was working in Canada, I bought a house, raised a kid and worked for nearly 20 years full time in Canada.

I'm not trying to say that Canadian immigration laws are too lax. Show me where I said that. However I do believe that people who come to Canada / Australia wherever should try to accept the country they are moving to and not expect it to be just like the one they left. The whole concept of moving somewhere and then complaining about it and trying to force change by bleating on and on about how you're being repressed is completely repugnant. The people who pull that crap are the ones who make everything worse for all the immigrants who are quite happy to go about their business and are thankful for a new home that is for the most part accepting and tolerant.

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