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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old 06-28-2008, 12:43 AM Thread Starter
 
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250cc class death knell officially sounded

From here: http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...eplacement.htm

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-- 250cc class death knell sounded

The FIM today made the following announcement:
The Grand Prix Commission, composed of Messrs. Carmelo Ezpeleta (Dorna, Chairman), Claude Danis (FIM), Hervé Poncharal (IRTA) and Takanao Tsubouchi (MSMA), in the presence of Mr. Paul Butler (Secretary of the meeting), in a meeting held today at the circuit of Assen, unanimously decided to introduce the following change to the FIM Road Racing World Championship Grand Prix Regulations.

Replacement of the 250cc class

For application from January 1, 2011, the Grand Prix Commission accepted the following proposal, taken by the majority of members of MSMA: 4-stroke engines of 600cc maximum and 4 cylinders maximum.

A request will be sent to all manufacturers. The candidatures of the manufacturers interested in taking part in the new class must be sent to the FIM and Dorna by July 31, 2008 at the latest.

More precise technical specifications will then be discussed and established.
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post #2 of 35 (permalink) Old 06-28-2008, 03:21 AM
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I think the riders become so much better coming from the 125 and 250s. So from what I understand it's still going to be prototype machines, just 600cc now?
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well... I'll have a drink in their honour tonight. 3 years or so now they've been the best GP racing out there, and might well be for a couple more yet.

and soon I'll have to start watching 125's, who are on the chopping block for 2014 I think.

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I think the riders become so much better coming from the 125 and 250s. So from what I understand it's still going to be prototype machines, just 600cc now?
I agree, but is that a product of the machinery or a product of the circuits and rivalry?
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Truly a sad day for a classic class in GPs as it has been around for ages and has bred quite a few of best of the best.
600cc, regulation ECUs etc sound booooring but who knows. Only good thing about is that probably all four japanese factories will get involved again.

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I agree, but is that a product of the machinery or a product of the circuits and rivalry?
Both probably. One thing that you can never accomplish with a four stroke is to get the same effect out of the same weight as the two stroke engine allways will beat a four stroke to that. This means the bikse will be heavier and you will have to ride them differently.
Chassis wise it won´t be any difference as the new class will have all the adjustability as the two strokes do.
The reason 125cc is staying for a longer time is that there is no better way to learn a young guy to ride a corner fast and to set up a bike properly, 250s are more expensive as well as you have two of everything compared to 125s.

The black ribbon will go on my leathers from today.


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post #6 of 35 (permalink) Old 06-30-2008, 08:17 PM
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Bummer, I have always enjoyed watching the 125s and 250s. They just don't get the same publicity because they're considered the "smaller" bikes.
I'll watch every race now as if it were the last.
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The black ribbon will go on my leathers from today.
Good call, I'll be sporting 2 black ribbons as of today, 1 for the 250's and 1 for the AMA.

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the one good thing that may come from this will be the advanced trickle down parts that will eventually be on the production bikes.
although prototype racing is not directly related to production bikes- It does seem like since motogp replaced gp500 street bikes have gotten way better.
so maybe 600cc production street bikes will be better in the long run because of this.
I still at times miss the gp500's .
I preferred the 990's over the current 800, but this all had to happen eventually.

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ya it was coming for a long time.

yet another triumph of marketing and bright shiny objects.

I just wanna see an old style FX class. "run what you brung and pray it's enough, no rockets. Jets are ok."

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Moriwakis mock up of a possible 600cc bike. Looks boring in my mind but maybe that´s what you get when the price tag is 100 000 €? How the hell are they going to be able to control taht sum for the factory teams by the way?







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ugh, disgusting.

100k euro's for a fucking 250 replacement, jesus christ.

hooray for another class with a 15 rider grid. Probably smaller even, the smaller teams can't get sponsorship in 250 like they can in MotoGP. Fortunatly, up till now they haven't needed it.

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ugh, disgusting.

100k euro's for a fucking 250 replacement, jesus christ.

hooray for another class with a 15 rider grid. Probably smaller even, the smaller teams can't get sponsorship in 250 like they can in MotoGP. Fortunatly, up till now they haven't needed it.
One thing if they can make it work is that you would be eligable to lease the bikes for 100 000 € per year wich is less than what it costs to lease a 250 Aprilia nowadays. The smaller grids are a serious problem for GPs and the only class that is affordable, 125Gp, is full of teams and great riders.

But that bike is a real uckly thing compared to the bikes in teh GP Porn thread.
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I have to say that I like Dovizioso more and more.
From crash.net
MotoGP rookie and former 250cc title contender Andrea Dovizioso believes that the quarter-litre grand prix class is the 'best to be in' before moving to MotoGP and doesn't want it changed.

On June 27 the Grand Prix Commission announced that it had accepted a proposal by the MSMA to replace the 250cc two-stroke class with 600cc four-strokes from 2011. The deadline for manufacturers to express an interest in taking part in the new class expired yesterday (July 31).

The precise technical specifications are still to be 'discussed and established', although it appears that - in order to keep costs as low as possible - a production-based engine will controversially be used to power a prototype chassis.

Whatever the eventual regulations, Dovizioso - who took four 250cc wins and finished second in the world championship to Jorge Lorenzo in both 2005 and 2006 - thinks any change will be for the worse.

"I like two-strokes a lot and especially 250," Dovizioso told Crash.net. "I think it is the best class to be in before moving to MotoGP and I don't want the 250cc class to change."

When asked about the differences he had experienced in moving from a 250cc two-stroke to an 800cc four-stroke, Dovi admitted that a premier-class prototype is hard to prepare for - but believes the lessons learnt while racing the infinitely-adjustable 250 have helped him adapt.

"The move to MotoGP was completely different," said the Italian, who took 26 podiums from 49 250cc starts with Honda. "The four-stroke is very different to the two-stroke - the engine braking, weight, power, everything - but with the 250cc class you learn many things that prepare you for the MotoGP class."

Dovizioso is currently fifth in the MotoGP World Championship for JiR Team Scot with a best race finish of fourth (three times) from his first eleven starts. The Italian is the top satellite rider in the standings and just 11 points behind leading rookie Lorenzo of the factory Yamaha team.


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Moriwakis mock up of a possible 600cc bike. Looks boring in my mind but maybe that´s what you get when the price tag is 100 000 €? How the hell are they going to be able to control taht sum for the factory teams by the way?





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Gawd fuck, don't get rid of the 250's you dumbass's (this is directed at FIM guys)


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125's aren't far behind.

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125's aren't far behind.
Well, I suppose there are going to be lots of 250 goodies on the market in due course


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I'm still waiting for the 500's to show up real cheap

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