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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 06-23-2009, 07:01 PM Thread Starter
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Toseland to replace Spies in WSBK

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WSB: Toseland set to replace Spies in 2010
By Visordown News
Hot rumours from Visordown's WSB mole about who's going where in next year's WSB series

HOT RUMOURS are flying about who's where for next year in WSB, and it's not quite as cut-and-dry as you might think.
Here's the popular take on what's going on at the moment - but these are just rumours picked up from reliable sources by Visordown's WSB mole.

Right, this is what the paddock Bongo drums are saying: James Toseland leaves Tech 3 Yamaha in MotoGP to go to Yamaha Italia where he will replace Ben Spies (who trades with Toseland and goes to Tech 3 for 2010). Last week Visordown reported how Toseland's business manager, Roger Burnett, has already been in discussions with Suzuki about running JT in next year's WSB series.

Tom Sykes leaves Yamaha to take over a prime spot on the Alstare Suzuki WSB machines.

Points to note here are that Sykes goes very well on Suzukis and has been riding brilliantly in WSB this year, relations between him and Yamaha are widely rumoured to be deteriorating despite the lads good performances and that both he and Toseland are both managed by former rider Roger Burnett.

With the 'No Rookies to Factory Bikes' rule in 2010, the few non-factory seats will be even hotter property in next year's championship, so the pressure for Toseland to perform is immense.


What do you guys think of Spies heading to MotoGP so soon? I know he's the hottest commodity on the WSBK stage at the moment but would it be better for him to do another year in WSBK and maybe grab the title before moving onto GP where he stands the chance of being a 'mid-pack rider' agains the likes of Rossi, Stoner, Pedrosa and Lorenzo??

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I was not aware of the rule for 2010 about the rookies on non factory teams... sucks because the non factory teams don't seems to have the same bikes or parts as the factory and therefore perform less as well. I would hate to see Ben on a non factory Ride no matter what series... I think he would be setup to fail if he was placed on the tech 3 team personally. While he might do well compared to the other two that have seem to be only mid pack riders, he would not be up front for sure.

If that rule is in effect I would like to see Ben race a few motogp races this year and maybe loose the rookie status for next year if that can be done?



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Yeah , if this is accurte information it seems to me like they're limiting rookies to satellite teams before they can jump to factory teams - not sure what the rationale is behind that though. I mean if Yamaha, Ducati or any of the others want to put a GP untested rider on one of their bikes who's to stop them? It's their damn bike after all.

That being said, it means that no matter when Ben makes the jump he'll be stuck on a satellite bike for at least one season unless they count 'wildcard' rides as rookie experience. If you can get one wildcard ride and lose your rookie status then it's kind of a bogus rule but if you have to race a whole season first on a non factory bike then what's the rush to go? I think he'd be better off putting a WSBK title on his CV before rushing off to GP. He's young and has time, after all Edwards has done fuck all for 7 years and he's still there ...

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satellite bike or no, nothing can stop the flow of parts.

For example, was Gibernau's bike in '04 factory? did it have the good shit?

And as for being a mid-packer... I very much doubt it. It's possible, but my question is more along the lines of "it he on the same level as Casey, who's a level above everyone else at the moment."

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The regulatory bodies have also decided to prohibit the recruitment of new riders to factory teams as of next year, with rookies required to serve their apprenticeship with a satellite team.
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More sauce: FIM

Which is a shame for the "smaller" manufacturers. Though it may encourage them to help forming satellite teams, otherwise they'll be stuck without upcoming talent.

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Which is a shame for the "smaller" manufacturers. Though it may encourage them to help forming satellite teams, otherwise they'll be stuck without upcoming talent.
that was the intent of the rule I'm fairly sure.

This shit is getting a little NASCAResque tho... only without the regularly close finishes.

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The rule might play in favor of the privateer teams & rookies. In more than one occasion parts have been held back on purpose from non-factory teams... perhaps this way, non-factory teams can get a bit more factory interest if a rookie the factory wants is there.

Food for thought...

I would rather see Ben stay until he bags the WSBK title... but he's made no secret he wants to go to MotoGP.
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Both Yamaha and Herve Ponchrala have expressed how impressed they are with Spies and I conclusion you can make from that is that if he goes to Tech 3 he will get as good stuff as possible. Maybe not exacttly at the same time as Rossi does but with this new rule the satellite teams will get more parts earlier.

If he wants to go to GPs there is no better time The Yamaha is a great bike, Tech 3 the only team with Yamahas he can go to. Why hang around i WSBK? He has already proved that he is teh fastest guy there and if he wants to do well in GPs he needs to go theere soon.


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One small note, I believe the "no factory team" for rookies only applies to manufacturers that actually have a satellite team.
Suzuki and Kawasaki/Hayate would not be restricted from getting a rookie because they have no satellite team.

I think Ben would do just fine on the Tech3 bikes. Colin has been right up there in practise and qualifying. they are the best satellite bikes on the grid.


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Another small note is that the topic is wrong. It´s Spies replacing Toseland and not vice versa.


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Yeah, I thought that perspective was pretty skewed as well but what do you expect from a UK based mag?

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I think Ben would do just fine on the Tech3 bikes. Colin has been right up there in practise and qualifying.
We've just got to make some adjustments to make the bike turn a bit better and I feel confident that I can be pushing for another podium here.

I think he has a patent pending on that phrase...


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We've just got to make some adjustments to make the bike turn a bit better and I feel confident that I can be pushing for another podium here.

I think he has a patent pending on that phrase...


I think you are right sir.
After the race it goes a little something like this.
"I just couldn´t ride as I wanted, I pushed all race but the the bike kept pushing the front." CE the II finishing 6th.


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I was not aware of the rule for 2010 about the rookies on non factory teams... sucks because the non factory teams don't seems to have the same bikes or parts as the factory and therefore perform less as well.
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Yeah , if this is accurte information it seems to me like they're limiting rookies to satellite teams before they can jump to factory teams - not sure what the rationale is behind that though. I mean if Yamaha, Ducati or any of the others want to put a GP untested rider on one of their bikes who's to stop them? It's their damn bike after all.

You know there is going to be some sort of exemption for riders who have factory superbike experience.... or something. I couldn't imagine telling a guy with a proven championship-winning record (like Spies) that he can't have a factory ride. That would hurt the series, I think.
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Thing is that GP is in a pissing contest with WSBK right now and they're looking to prove that they're a step above. If that means looking down on WSBK guys, odds are that they'll do it.

And I agree, it'll hurt the series. Snob factor rarely helps anyone.

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"I just couldn´t ride as I wanted, I pushed all race but the the bike kept pushing the front..
Colin Edwards' top excuses

My bike isn't absolutey perfect
I'm not as fast as everyone else but can't admit it
Rossi stole my settings
J-T stole my crew chief
I wanted to ride harder but I couldn't .... cos I'm shite
Hayden made me crash .... by racing with me ... my only victory ... gone
Haga never took supplements .... I beat him fair and square
By believing it , I make it so
Only not so much
I believe I'm freakin' GREAT but actually I'm being paid WAY too much for being COMPLETELY SHITE and yet from race to race I'll still churn out the old ... if I had a better front end ...blah, blah, blah - 7 YEARS - 0 WINS - FUCK OFF TEX!!!

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and after all that he's still 25 points and 5 championship positions ahead of your favourite spank tank material

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Wasn't Toseland supposed to come in and wipe the floor with Edwards?
So many guys to pick on... but yet a mid pack descent rider gets all your hated attention...

There's quite a few guys in this league that suck much worse ya know...

Tell you what... buy me this helmet and I'll wear it with a T-shirt that says I'm a DORK CE II fan and post it on the Interwebz far ya....



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Thing is that GP is in a pissing contest with WSBK right now and they're looking to prove that they're a step above. If that means looking down on WSBK guys, odds are that they'll do it.

And I agree, it'll hurt the series. Snob factor rarely helps anyone.
I think the actual intent of the rule wasn't snobbery, but to help the smaller teams because they never get the best riders. This ensures they get a shot at landing the "next big thing".


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ya fair enough. And that's noble intent, but I can see it scaring the best riders away from the series. Especially with WSBK on the rise as it is.

shit at the moment GP has 4.5 factories involved, and WSBK has 7, and privateer teams out of the wazzoo. Not unusual to see a full grid, whereas MotoGP is struggling to meet the minimum required by their contract.

anyhow, all I'm saying is that their position is precarious enough that they really should be treading carefully.

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