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KR Jr on TC

Interesting perspective and one that a lot of people will agree with I'm sure.

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-30-2010, 06:31 PM
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Hmmmmm. He does have a point I'd say. I say do it and see what happens. I'd like to see a bigger field of riders too while we're at it.


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No kidding - I've found the GP races this year particularly boring.
I watch the first few laps ff thru the middle ones (but keep my eye on the positions to see if anything has changed) and then watch the last half dozen laps, which is usually when Eurosport starts focusing on mid pack scraps 'cos the leader has cleared off into the distance and everyone has a 2 second lead over the next guy.

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post #4 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-31-2010, 04:35 AM
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we need to decide if MotoGP is about having the best bikes or the best show.

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No point having the best bikes if nobody wants to watch you race them

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When one rider/bike dominates every race, I lose interest in that series. The perfect race series for me would be 16 races, 16 different race winners.
Race organizations rely on fan base. If they are not entertaining, the fans will lose interest.
Riders like Maladin, and Szoke only hurt their sport by going out and winning everything.
At least when Rossi was most dominant, he would hover around second or third until the last few laps before he made a pass for the win.
TC has proven to bring the fastest lap times, but fastest lap times don't make the best racing.
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TC is also one of the very very very few MotoGP technologies that has actually managed to trickle down to the street.

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True - from the standpoint that GP tecnology has had a bearing on modern streetbike applications it has been a useful development, but I think KR JRs view that it has 'diluted' the ferocity of the machines and the public's perspective of the talents of the riders is valid.

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oh definitely it is. I just see 2 different extremes in racing.

In snocross that I grew up in, factory teams were known to hold back on using the trickest new components because a supplier (Brembo in one particular instance that jumps into my head, Ohlins in another.) wouldn't be able to tool up to have those components available on the next years base model showroom floor machine. I've seen braking systems, suspension systems, not to mention chassis and engine stuff deliberately held back from factory race team sleds because there'd be a public outcry if it wasn't available for consumer purchase within 6 months on a stock machine.

On the other extreme we've got F1, where I'm hard pressed to think of a single advance from the last 20 years that has made it's way to a production vehicle of any type.

Once upon a time GP was much more like the former, and it's very rapidly slipping towards the latter. This is one of the very few things that has actually made a difference in the consumers life, and I'm not sure that taking it away is improving the MotoGP or motorcycling as a whole.

Lets face it, billet frames and pneumatic valves aren't gonna be finding their way into your R1 anytime soon. A faux big bang and traction control are the only 2 things to trickle down (that I can think of anyhow) since the 4-strokes came in. Even chassis stuff has stopped trickling down, billet frames don't find their way into a streetbike.

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On the other extreme we've got F1, where I'm hard pressed to think of a single advance from the last 20 years that has made it's way to a production vehicle of any type.
Flappy panel gear shifters??

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yea push button gear shifting I guess trickled down. You could make an argument that turbocharging did too but it really was already in production before it hit F1, which is kind of backwards.

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