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post #1 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-06-2005, 11:49 AM Thread Starter
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Why Countersteer?

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post #2 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-06-2005, 11:52 AM
 
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becuase it's the fastest way while still maintaining the most control.....


besides, it's called physics....

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post #3 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-06-2005, 11:55 AM
 
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gyroscope effect is cool.

I find myself trying more and more all the time

however....

I learned that cold tires and deep lean angles and countersteer=bad.

I almost pullled a anubis
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what about body steering?


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bastiges always gotta move my threads.

I predict 100+ pages on this thread over the next 6 months. gotta start something, too little traffic around here :comperror


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what about counter balancing?


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what about throttle control? doesnt that have something to do with it? I usually slide both tires a few feet into each turn and then try to smoke the rear on the exit, so wouldnt my countersteering be less? :BS


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i try and do countersteering and body steering. i think you need to countersteer to start the turn, then bodysteer as much as possible along w/ countersteering. makes it easier on the arms and gets you use to hanging off. just my .02


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post #9 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-07-2005, 01:20 PM
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countersteering vs. body steering doesn't matter.

if you steer by shifting body weight, the handlebars are still going to physically countersteer. just what a motorcycle does.

describing the physics of why countersteer happens is long and boring.

it's like death.....it just happens.


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because keith code and jesus demand that i do

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I love this topic. its like talking about abortion vs right to life ghead


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post #13 of 47 (permalink) Old 08-08-2005, 10:43 PM
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why not both? overthinking is sometimes not good, i think, wait, yeah thats right, well lemme think about it
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post #14 of 47 (permalink) Old 09-05-2005, 02:20 PM
 
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Personally I just like close my eyes as tight as I can when I see turns coming up really fast. If god is with me then I'll make it through A OK! Isn't that how it really works. What the hell gyroscopic affect and countersteering enyway. Sounds like the devils magic to me. BE GONE DEMONS!!!!
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post #15 of 47 (permalink) Old 09-05-2005, 04:37 PM
 
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because the girls demand I ride better than the other guy


I still find it funny when my daughter is on and she tosses herself off a bit.... :laugh

can always see her in the mirror with the same sadistic grin I get...even funnier when we watch faster or any movie....we tilt our heads the same....both kinda head into our own world...its funny to watch...dad videotaped us and its like we are the only 2 left in the world
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post #16 of 47 (permalink) Old 09-26-2005, 04:31 AM
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countersteering vs. body steering doesn't matter.

if you steer by shifting body weight, the handlebars are still going to physically countersteer. just what a motorcycle does.

describing the physics of why countersteer happens is long and boring.

it's like death.....it just happens.
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post #17 of 47 (permalink) Old 12-24-2005, 07:15 PM
 
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Most of the time I only consciously body steer, but I realize there is other stuff going on.
There is one part of a track that I ride on (AMA Fontana) that I purposely countersteer. Turn 1 coming off the front straight runs you through a set of persuaders, a quick left then right. Not only are you carrying a lot of speed, you have to transition left / right very quickly and giving a good push on the bars is the best for me in this area to get the bike and my body leaned over to the other side and make the turn.
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i am afraid to push that bar to hard lol. I havent tested how far you can actually countersteer.
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Originally Posted by firehawk
countersteering vs. body steering doesn't matter.

if you steer by shifting body weight, the handlebars are still going to physically countersteer. just what a motorcycle does.

describing the physics of why countersteer happens is long and boring.

it's like death.....it just happens.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by firehawk
countersteering vs. body steering doesn't matter.

if you steer by shifting body weight, the handlebars are still going to physically countersteer. just what a motorcycle does.

describing the physics of why countersteer happens is long and boring.

it's like death.....it just happens.
true...
BUT


you can increase the amount of countersteering, or decrease it over what the "physics" of body steering cause......

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i for one dont always countersteer as much as i should, and this can been apparent in the fact that comparing front and rear tire wear, the rear shows more wear consistantly all the way to the edge while the front tends to have the famous "chicken strip" on it.

this means that i am not tracking the two tires the same, meaning i am either subconsiously fighting the countersteering the body steering creates, or i have the suspension slightly off and am not increasing the countersteering the body steering creates to help compensate.



Knowing that the susp is pretty good, and that i am getting older and fatter, i'll go with the brain overcoming the balls theory in the first option...


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